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		<title>Be outstanding with your fields</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Once upon a time a designer tested an online form. This was the result [<a href="#reading">1</a>]:</p> More than 30% made at least one error when filling out the web form. Only 7% recovered. <br /> <p>And 24% gave up. Surprised? These statistics are actually not unusual.</p> <p>So first things first. If you are asking me [...]]]></description>
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<h1><span style="color: #000000;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">More than 30%</span> made at least one error when filling out the web form.<span style="color: #000000;"> </span><span style="color: #99cc00;"><span style="color: #000000;">Only</span> 7% recovered. </span></span><strong><span style="color: #000000;"><br />
</span></strong></h1>
<p>And 24% gave up. Surprised? These statistics are actually not unusual.</p>
<p>So first things first. If you are asking me to fill out a form online, please, please, please <strong>save whatever I&#8217;ve entered</strong> even if it&#8217;s horribly wrong.  If you don&#8217;t I will be unhappy.  I may give.  I might even tweet about how terrible the experience was.  In short: All bad news for you.</p>
<h2>Happy as a clam at high water</h2>
<p>If you really want to make it easy and fast for me to buy your stuff, sign up for your site, or use your service, these are my preferences. They also happen to be <a title="A list apart - inline validation in web forms" href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/inline-validation-in-web-forms/">good practice</a> [<a title="Jump down the page to related reading" href="#reading">*</a>]:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Remove those pesky alert boxes</strong>.<br />
Easy peezy.</li>
<li><strong>Validate input in-line</strong>:<br />
Validate my entry<strong> after</strong> I move to the next field, but <strong>way before</strong> I hit <em>submit.<br />
</em>This saves time and frustration.  It is possible to validate <strong>while </strong>I type, but unless there is a very good unique reason, please don&#8217;t.<br />
<em><br />
</em></li>
<li><strong>Provide <a title="Dynamic help in web forms" href="http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/05/dynamic-help-in-web-forms.php">dynamic help text</a> </strong>just in time.<br />
I tend  to overlook the good advice unless it appears just in time, and right where I am looking (example below). Providing <strong>precise, well written tips</strong> to the right of the in field that has my focus will pay off.  Automatically exposed tips are my personal preference because the page remains uncluttered.</li>
</ol>
<h2>Error! Dear user, you are quite clearly an idiot.</h2>
<p>First rule: avoid telling me I&#8217;m an idiot even if it&#8217;s true. Indicate where it all went wrong with a visual <em>in-line indication</em> . I prefer:</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>A simple color border</strong> around the field that doesn&#8217;t validate.</li>
<li>A <strong>very short</strong>, easily visible help text about the source of the problem,  to the right of the field in question.</li>
</ol>
<p><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="color: #000000;">Many experts caution about using red for these notifications because it is scary. I say as long as  your response is constructive</span> <span style="color: #ff0000;">bring on the red</span></span><span style="color: #ff0000;">.</span> Just make sure that you aren&#8217;t relying on color alone as an indication something is wrong.</p>
<p><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-726" title="formvalidation-format-feilmelding-and-field2011-09-14_0904" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/formvalidation-format-feilmelding-and-field2011-09-14_0904.png" alt="Android PIT registration form" width="619" height="241" /></p>
<h4><strong>Another example </strong></h4>
<p><object width="595" height="446"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/hlU74LIPauo?version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/hlU74LIPauo?version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="595" height="446" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object></p>
<p>Oh yeah. Since all this is probably achievable with <a title="wikipeda - what is Ajax" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) f">Ajax</a>, be sure to validate server-side as well, in case javascript is turned off.</p>
<blockquote><p><cite>Ensure that pages are usable when scripts, applets etc are turned off or not supported. If this is not possible, provide equivalent information on an alternative accessible page. — Web Content Accessibility Guideline &#8211; <a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10/#gl-new-technologies">Checkpoint 6.3</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<h2>Be best in class, and code.</h2>
<p>This is also nice, respectful and super:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>A logical tab order:</strong><br />
Set a logical tab-order (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.11">tabindex</a>) for all the fields, allowing me to navigate your form using the keyboard.  An access key<br />
<strong> </strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Visual cues:</strong><br />
Clearly indicate which field is active as I enter data.  A nice color border or background is fine.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Labels and grouping: </strong><br />
Label your form elements (<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#h-17.9">label</a> for &#8220;IDfortheControl&#8221;), and group those that are related.</p>
<h2 id="reading">Don&#8217;ts.<br />
Severely unpleasant forms:</h2>
<ul>
<li>Send the user to a separate page after the data is submitted and zero out all the data.</li>
<li>Are long and complicated, and ask for data that is unnecessary for the task, or known. [<a href="#reading">2</a>]</li>
<li>Provide complicated and wordy error messages hidden at the top of the page where user&#8217;s can overlook them.</li>
</ul>
<h3>* Footnotes / Related reading</h3>
<ol>
<li><a href="http://www.uxbooth.com/blog/showing-error-messages-to-users/">Handling User Error with Care </a>(uxbooth.com) &#8211; John Hyde</li>
<li><a href="http://iallenkelhet.no/2010/10/16/derfor-hater-vi-kontaktskjemaer/">Derfor hater vi kontaktskjemaer</a> (iallenkelhet.no) &#8211; Rune Andersen</li>
<li><a href="http://www.alistapart.com/articles/inline-validation-in-web-forms/">Inline validation in Web Forms</a> (alistapart.com) &#8211; Luke Wroblewski</li>
<li><a href="http://jqueryfordesigners.com/using-ajax-to-validate-forms/">Using Ajax to Validate Forms </a>(jqueryfordesigners.com)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.uxmatters.com/mt/archives/2007/05/dynamic-help-in-web-forms.php">Dynamic Help in Web Forms </a>(uxmatters.com)</li>
<li><a href="http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2009/04/16/five-ux-antipatterns-to-avoid-when-designing-log-in-registration-areas/">Five UX anti-patterns to avoid when designing Log-in &amp; Registration areas</a> (90percentofeverything.com) &#8211; Harry Brignull</li>
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		<title>RE: Delicious sunsetting &#8211;  Dear Yahoo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 14:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>While it now (Dec.17) <a title="Geekosystem: Dec 17th update stating the service is not a correct fit for Yahoo, but will live on." href="http://www.geekosystem.com/delicious-not-shutting-down/">appears that the Del.icio.us service is not going away completely</a>, I believe this is a case study in the making, a case of a company making misguided strategic decisions. Not a &#8220;correct [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it now (Dec.17) <a title="Geekosystem: Dec 17th update stating the service is not a correct fit for Yahoo, but will live on." href="http://www.geekosystem.com/delicious-not-shutting-down/">appears that the Del.icio.us service is not going away completely</a>, I believe this is a case study in the making, a case of a company making misguided strategic decisions. Not a &#8220;correct fit&#8221; says Yahoo?!  Misguided say I.  Not only did they (1) quit themselves of some smart people, they are (2) damaging their reputation with a savvy user base, and (3) all without exploring its potential.</p>
<p>Below is a copy of my note to Yahoo, with my two cents about their decision to sunset the unique and useful bookmarking service.</p>
<div id="attachment_596" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 435px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-596" href="http://notable.csaetre.com/2010/12/18/re-delicious-sunsetting-dear-yahoo/map-of-signers-for-yahoo-can-you-please-open-source-delicious_1292612976532/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-596" title="Map of signers for Yahoo! : Can you please open source Delicious?" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Map-of-signers-for-Yahoo-Can-you-please-open-source-Delicious_1292612976532-425x238.png" alt="map" width="425" height="238" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Map of signers for Yahoo! : Can you please open source Delicious?</p></div>
<h3>Dear Yahoo:</h3>
<p>I would have:</p>
<ul>
<li> paid a premium to keep this service, as I do with <a href="http://flickr.com/csaetre">Flickr</a>; or</li>
<li>purchased your service as software/app, if only to host my own bookmarks in the manner to which I´ve become accustomed.</li>
</ul>
<p>But you didn´t give me the option. Yahoo has both <a title="Bokardo - on social web design and the usage lifecycle" href="http://bokardo.com/archives/creating-engaged-and-passionate-users-part-1/">passionate users</a> and market penetration — <strong>with</strong> Del.icio.us and Flickr — <strong>not in spite of them</strong>. Those are not easy to come by, and you´ve seemingly just tossed them aside.  Whatever you think users want from Yahoo, this move shows that Yahoo leadership is misguided about <a title="via the Guardian: Carol Bartz´s letter to Yahoo employees" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/17/yahoo-closing-problems">your core competencies</a>, and best bets.</p>
<h3>I will <strong>never</strong> want the following &#8220;core&#8221; services from Yahoo:</h3>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230; email, homepage, search, mobile, advertising, content and more&#8230;&#8221; (again, as  itemized by <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/dec/17/yahoo-closing-problems">Carol Bartz</a>, who continues in her letter:) &#8220;&#8230;The changes are meant to get us into a position so we can invest more in the kind of products and technology we know we need to be successful.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>There are <strong>far better services </strong>out there for these aforementioned functions, and I have already made my choice. Besides,  Yahoo has just proven, definitively, that the company and its services are unstable and unwise.</p>
<p>/END email.</p>
<div id="attachment_587" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 435px"><a rel="attachment wp-att-587" href="http://notable.csaetre.com/2010/12/18/re-delicious-sunsetting-dear-yahoo/fakecaraolbartz/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-587" title="fakecaraolbartz" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/fakecaraolbartz-425x253.png" alt="" width="425" height="253" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">From the  FAKE Twitter account for Carol Bartz, Yahoo´s CEO</p></div>
<h3>What´s with the murmuring and complaining?</h3>
<p>Yes, I realize that:</p>
<ul>
<li>Del.icio.us was a free service;</li>
<li>That companies must restructure and adjust product portfolios from time to time, especially in a recession.</li>
</ul>
<p>And I agree with <a href="http://www.the-haystack.com/2010/12/17/death-to-web-services-long-live-web-services/">Stephen Hay´s post &#8220;Death to webservices. Long live webservices&#8221;</a> in which he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>But what are we complaining about? It’s all free. Having to move our bookmarks is not really a huge problem &#8230; Our data is our own, and it’s up to us to look after it. &#8230;What if we flipped this all on its head? What if we hosted our own data, and provided APIs for all these webapps so that they can use our data?</p></blockquote>
<p>But know this: if you mess around with the <a href="http://chargify.com/blog/7-companies-that-mastered-the-freemium-business/">freemium <strong>business </strong>model</a>—stress on business—you are messing with customer loyalty, and there will be consequences.</p>
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		<title>Examining our love-hate relationship with IT</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Isn´t it IT&#8217;s job to embrace the <a title="Photo by David Blackwell, Creative Commons, some rights reserved" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilestreetlife/4179063482/in/photostream/"></a>business goals and deliver technology as a service in support of core activities and overall efficiency?</p> <p>Following a recent discussion with a colleague about the tenets and pitfalls of a new service agreement between the IT-department and the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Isn´t it IT&#8217;s job to embrace the </strong><a title="Photo by David Blackwell, Creative Commons, some rights reserved" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilestreetlife/4179063482/in/photostream/"><img class="size-medium wp-image-657 alignright" title="david_blackwell_flickr-4179063482_e8184e27a1" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/david_blackwell_flickr-4179063482_e8184e27a1-425x425.jpg" alt="CC: Some rights reserved by David Blackwell." width="255" height="255" /></a><strong>business goals and deliver technology as a service in support of core activities and overall efficiency?</strong></p>
<p>Following a recent discussion with a colleague about the tenets and pitfalls of a new service agreement between the IT-department and the system owner, my mind kept turning over this question:</p>
<ul>
<li>Is the IT-department more focused on making money than on making things work for the organization?  Followed closely by:</li>
<li><strong>Is not our cost center budget model seriously flawed?</strong><br />
And finally:</li>
<li>Is there a better incentive or IT-management model?</li>
</ul>
<div class="flickr"><a title="Photo by David Blackwell, Creative Commons, some rights reserved" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mobilestreetlife/4179063482/in/photostream/"></a></p>
<p><span class="caption">Photo by: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/people/mobilestreetlife/">David Blackwell.</a></span></p>
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<h2>In search of an answer</h2>
<p>First stop Harvard Business Review where I found the frank and engaging post by Susan Cramm: &#8220;<a href="http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/cramm/2008/06/8-things-we-hate-about-it.html">8 Things We Hate About IT</a>&#8220;. Reaction: apparently we are not alone, and our flawed operating model and strategy execution is not the exception, but the rule.  I present a few slightly modified excerpts from the points that especially resonated:</p>
<h3><span style="color: #ff0000;"><span style="text-decoration: line-through;"> 8 </span></span> <span style="color: #000000;">4</span> Things We Hate About IT</h3>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>IT&#8217;s bureaucratic governance process rivals the tax code</strong> in complexity and inhibits rather than promotes innovation. (From <em>8 things&#8230;</em> #1 &#8211; <em>IT Limits Managers&#8217; Authority</em>) <strong> </strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Molasses moves faster</strong>. IT projects and planning move slowly, often taking 3 to 4 times longer than necessary (see point above). In-process projects are always 90% done. &#8220;Completed&#8221; projects don&#8217;t have agreed to functionality, and the team that promises to deliver missing functionality in future phases are always mysteriously MIA. (From <em>8 things &#8230; </em>#4 -<em>Their Projects Never End)</em> <strong> </strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>Condescension not collaboration.</strong> When you try to brainstorm with IT about how to apply new technology, you get paternalistic responses. When glitches emerge, functional specialists defend the reliability of their piece of the byzantine infrastructure. (From <em>8 things &#8230;</em> #5/#7) <strong> </strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>The perpetual struggle.</strong> No matter how much you spend and how hard you work, you never have anything to celebrate and little to look forward to as the promise of technology seems perpetually beyond your reach. (From <em>8 things&#8230; </em>#8 &#8211; <em>IT Never Has Good News)</em></p>
<h2>The blame game</h2>
<p>It is tempting to rally behind the sentiment of Cramm´s introductory quote:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;In the quest of getting things organized, they are introducing a bunch of bureaucracy and, in the process, they&#8217;re abdicating their responsibility for making sure the right things get done.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>But I won´t. Like many of those readers who commented on the above article, <strong>I like and respect my colleagues in  the IT department. </strong> It is the system that is broken, not the people in it.  And it is only fair to also include the valid points from the Cramms´s sequel presenting <a href="http://blogs.hbr.org/hbr/cramm/2008/06/8-reasons-you-should-love-it.html"> IT&#8217;s point of view on corporate management</a>.</p>
<p>I can definitely attest to the following:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">5)<strong> The user community is unskilled and ungrateful</strong> &#8211; The IT department often provides on the job training to an ungrateful user community even though much of this tedious work could be eliminated if they mastered the basics of the systems that support their business.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">7) <strong>IT is hardworking</strong> &#8211; IT works long hours supporting old technologies that the company can&#8217;t afford to upgrade.</p>
<p>It also needs to be said:</p>
<p><strong>The model we have is </strong><strong>the model we built. </strong> The IT-department is a cost center that fills orders and builds things to spec, because that is what the organization has asked and allowed it to be.</p>
<p>Sure, it may seem rational and responsible for an a cost center manager to couple costs and the income for the services it provides. It may seem prudent to invest in things actually in use or in demand, upgrading what you have is easiest. But doesn´t this reactive model cost the organization money in the long run?  In my experience:</p>
<ol>
<li>Policies are good, but policy period, without some degree of pragmatism is detrimental to progress.</li>
<li>New technology can save money, often by saving time.</li>
<li>New technology is often necessary for new kinds of activity, and lack of it may stifle innovations concerning core tasks in other areas of the organization.  This can cost the organization both money and prestige, even long-term success.</li>
<li>Allowing real, and completely valid concerns about maintaining the portfolio of IT-services and applications to always win the day will have negative consequences.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Are we anywhere yet?</strong></p>
<p>So how much closer are we to finding some good advice?  Authority and governance is the  big issue and no one seems to have the silver bullet, but McKinsey´s <a href="https://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/managing_it_support_interview_with_CIO_of_NetApp_2154">Marina Levinson</a> makes and illustrates some good organizational principles.</p>
<h2><strong>Governance  principles</strong></h2>
<p><strong>Processes must use fast-cycle innovation and be tied to long-term interests</strong><br />
In particular,<a href="https://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/managing_it_support_interview_with_CIO_of_NetApp_2154"> Levinson</a> suggests &#8220;deliver tangible business value within 90-day increments&#8221; &#8230; and &#8220;build quickly while also looking at least two or three years ahead.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>Foster mutual understanding and complementary skills in both camps</strong><br />
Core business areas need people to be IT savvy, and IT experts need a knowledge of the business. &#8220;[You need] IT leaders who challenge [the business]&#8221; &#8230; and &#8220;each cross functional process has a sponsor at the senior or executive VP level&#8230;with operational leader whose responsibility includes that business process&#8221;, says Levinson.</p>
<p><strong>The motivators and values need be top-line and customer focused</strong><br />
Prioritize systems that allow you to get closer to customers and partners.</p>
<p>Embracing these principles involves a paradigm shift.  And therein lies the rub, as realistically this problem is complex and improvement isn´t possible through grass-roots effort alone.   Some changes are needed and my colleagues may even agree, but many of our leaders have not reached the same conclusion. We are talking about a strategy shift, and a change in organizational culture.</p>
<h2>Always look on the bright side</h2>
<p>In true Monty Python fashion let´s conclude with a look at the bright side. We are taking small steps in the right direction:</p>
<ol>
<li><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/csaetre/sets/72157626024970620/">Some units</a> in our IT-department are increasingly embracing agile development methodology.</li>
<li>Business process reviews have been initiated on a small scale.</li>
<li>Some discussion of the ICT organizational model, have taken place.</li>
</ol>
<p><strong>Recommended reading:</strong></p>
<p><em><a title="Permanent Link to No Scrum, No More" rel="bookmark" href="http://aptoma.com/select.star/2010/02/11/no-scrum-no-more/">No Scrum, No More </a></em>-  Why are we not scrumming? (Select*, <span>Geir Berset </span>- <span><abbr title="2010-02-11T00:11:59+0000">Feb. 11, 2010</abbr>).<br />
Pssst: it´s not negative to SCRUM, rather it´s about adapting SCRUM itself to fit even better.<br />
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		<title>Wasted efforts &#8211; 7 AHAHs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 16:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday was the company <a href="#translations">julebord*</a>.  An enjoyable evening to be sure, it made for a good end to a day that opened with a spirit-defeating meeting. Well into the <a href="#translations">ribbe*</a> and Shiraz I couldn´t shake the feeling of disenchantment with the state of affairs.  Nagging were questions like: Are the strategic interests of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday was the company <a href="#translations"><em>julebord</em>*</a>.  An enjoyable evening to be sure, it made for a good end to a day that opened with a spirit-defeating meeting. Well into the <a href="#translations"><em>ribbe</em>*</a> and<em> Shiraz </em>I couldn´t shake the feeling of disenchantment with the state of affairs.  Nagging were questions like: Are the strategic interests of the organization served by how and where I use my time?  Am I helping by participating in all these meetings and forums?  How can we do better?</p>
<p><img class="size-thumbnail wp-image-471 alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="barcode - Christine Sætre" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/code93barcode.asp_-208x69.png" alt="barcode - Christine Sætre" width="208" height="69" /></p>
<p>These are the some of my <em>ahah conclusions</em> as 2009 winds down:</p>
<ol>
<li> <strong>6 is no good</strong><br />
Representative committees are no good. Of late,<span style="text-decoration: underline;"> truly</span> useful interaction and progress has occurred only when there are 5 or fewer participants in the room.</li>
<li><strong>Buck the futility of meetings and the tyranny of the email onslaught</strong><br />
More gets accomplished through MSN and before/after meetings, than in meetings or through emails. One can save a lot of time by cutting out 90% of emails, and all meetings with more than 6 participants. Show up once in a while, bail on the rest?  (<a href="http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/hbr/hbreditors/2009/12/manage_your_time_like_jim_coll.html">Additional inspiration: HBR &#8211; Manage your Time Like Jim Collins</a>)</li>
<li><strong>Lay low &#8211; Full stop on the <a title="see evaluation of meta-discussion" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta-discussion#Evaluation">meta-discussion</a></strong><br />
Leaders across the organization are supposed to care about the how/who/why, but given their every-day they could really not care less. The results should be the focus, and I am sure that good results will win any argument. I should stop trying to get consensus/understanding on the &#8220;why&#8221; and &#8220;how&#8221;. Consensus has rarely been achieved, and when it has, it hasn´t gotten us anywhere really. ROI on time invested = .01.</li>
<li><strong>A good model seems like a good goal &#8211; but it really just looks good on a slide</strong><br />
What I bring to the table (and the same can be said of my most effective colleagues) probably doesn´t fit nicely into any role, in ANY organizational model that might solve what ails us.  The university is decentralized, and lets not kid ourselves, future centralization efforts won´t be plucking people from among the existing rank and file.  So you are outside of the box, far removed from the politics, you might want to take a second look around.And if one is already <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517883708/ref=nosim/joelonsoftware"><em>outside the box</em></a>, why try and hop inside it? Maybe misguided craziness?</li>
<li><strong>Geeks and nerds will always be a bit rogue</strong><br />
It is often the uniqueness, the oddities and special talents of those in some of the best teams, not <em>sameness</em> that yields great results. Increasingly  the &#8220;odd-man-out &#8221; in every single org model discussed lately, my gut feeling is that maybe I should just stick to participating in the <em>virtual</em> teams and <em>ad-hoc</em> collaborations.  It is even possible to further self-organize without getting anyone´s blessing.  This might also be more fun, in addition to being more effective.<em> </em></p>
<p><em> </em><em>All we need now  is a secret handshake or a code word, maybe even a lair.</em><em><br />
</em></li>
<li><strong>Fun shouldn´t be tabled for later </strong><br />
Maslow was right.  Money is not what drives everyone. After my basic needs are met, I work because I want to achieve something more, and I like much of what I do.  We are not all characters in <em>The Office</em>, and it is possible to be <em>too</em> focused sometimes. One´s job can NOT be 150% about the organizations goals. (This can burn people out and that helps no one). Plan for a bit more fun, and few other bits from the top of old<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs"> Maslow´s hierarchy</a>.</li>
<li><strong>If you build it, they won´t necessarily come, but maybe.</strong><br />
Compelling is: finished products that can be demonstrated; processes that have achieved some results, and systems that are up and running. These are way more compelling that any plan or description.  Example: Installed WordPress and  Joomla, then people started using them. Propose adoption of WordPress MU and we got a institutional skepticism, budget concerns and a report. Propose a video and you get a long discussion. Make a video and <span style="text-decoration: underline;">you get</span> a video. Develop an interaction yourself an you please your users; request a developer to develop it, and you get a place on their massive todo list.  Choose what is fastest.</li>
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<p>It´s not worth blaming anyone, it´s not ideal. It´s not how we want things to be. It´s just how it is. (Unless you are lucky enough to work at <a title="The Ben &amp; Jerry model" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0517883708/ref=nosim/joelonsoftware">Ben &amp; Jerry´s</a> or Google.  Lucky, talented, ducks.)</p>
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<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><strong>* Translations:</strong></p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;"><em> julebord </em>= corporate Christmas party in Norway<br />
<em>ribbe</em> = traditional Norwegian Christmas pork ribs</p>
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		<title>Student users passionately dislike ItsLearning</title>
		<link>http://notable.csaetre.com/2009/01/06/student-users-passionately-dislike-itslearning/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Cross browser incompatibility and security setting inconveniences are nothing new, so when a colleague told me she could not log into ItsLearning using Internet Explorer 7 and consequently resorted (her words not mine) to Firefox whenever she needed ItsLearning, I went looking for a post on the browser or cookies-setting that I could recommend she [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cross browser incompatibility and security setting inconveniences are nothing new, so when a colleague told me she could not log into ItsLearning using Internet Explorer 7 and consequently <em>resorted</em> (her words not mine) to Firefox whenever she needed ItsLearning, I went looking for a post on the browser or cookies-setting that I could recommend she change. Not everyone at the university has this <a href="http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/products/">far-better-browser</a> installed, so I was certain I would come across this question again soon.</p>
<p>What I found was a well written post from a student entitled: <a href="http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/itslearning/">it&#8217;s:learning™ is crap!</a> The post&#8217;s author, clearly an informed thoughtful user is both thorough and structured in their critique. But that is not all. This engaged user shares a bit about their attempt to help the developers, only to be rebuffed:</p>
<blockquote><p>I was contacted 2005-12-15 by it:solutions support personnel, and mailed back and forth a number of times. I lobbied for a separate interface that&#8217;s designed for efficient use, but they did not appear to grasp concepts such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usability">usability vs usefulness</a>, and had no distinction between presentation and business logic.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>Needless to say, the post&#8217;s author is now </strong><em><strong>a passionate detractor.</strong> </em></p>
<p>That this should be the case would surprise me, if I hadn&#8217;t experienced it myself, and often. Constructive criticism is increasingly lumped with general whining, treated with halfhearted &#8220;thanks for your suggestion&#8221; platitudes, even condescending arrogance. The host of new media interactivity options (blogs, forums, social networking, etc.) has raised the noise level for developers, and it isn&#8217;t surprising that they should want to listen only to compliments and conciliatory suggestions, while dismissing instances of emphatic criticism.</p>
<p>Of course, there is better way to look at it. It&#8217;s far better to have critics that not, and way better for business. Kathy Sierra, co-creator of the <em>Head First</em> book series cleverly called it the Kool-Aid point.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The Kool-Aid Point:</strong> &#8220;You don&#8217;t really have passionate users until someone starts accusing them of &#8216;drinking the Kool-Aid.&#8217; If you create passionate users, you have to expect passionate detractors. You should welcome their appearance in blogs, forums, and user groups. It means you&#8217;ve arrived. (Posted on <a href="http://headrush.typepad.com/" target="new">headrush.typepad.com</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>If you are a smart developer, a smart inventor, or a smart start-up, you will use this feedback and recognize it for what it is: a potential road map to success or an opportunity to create customer loyalty. (Did you just hear: blah, blah, blah? Well, maybe you just need a cup of coffee. ) Focus groups are useful. But I contend that they are not nearly as valuable as engaged user feedback. Questionnaires are limiting. Yes-men are useless.</p>
<p><strong>If you haven&#8217;t already, check out </strong><a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/companies" target="_self"><strong>Get Satisfaction</strong></a> and the products and services that participate there. The site provides an effective forum for customers to communicating directly with the companies behind the products and services they use, a mechanism for prioritizing feedback, and customers communicating and supporting each other.</p>
<p>&#8230; Oh yeah, and I dare say, ItsSolutions is not very smart. <em>(And, if you are interested in my opinion, when it comes to ItsLearning I agree with the <a href="http://www.vidarholen.net/contents/itslearning/">passionate detractor </a>mentioned earlier.)</em></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael Crichton contended "We need to start seeing the media as a bearded nut on the sidewalk, shouting out false fears", and Kjersti Thorbjørnsrud describes debate programmes in Norway as staged and sometimes even misleading, after studying political debates in conjunction with her doctoral thesis. Media hype and conjecture is alive and well in Norway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This year´s U.S. Presidential election is over, and whilst the world seems to draw a collective sigh of relief that President Elect Obama can speak complete sentences, comedian´s admit they are wondering what they will do after taking a fortnight´s worth of pause. This almost certainly goes for political pundits, as well as nightly news reporters en masse. What will they find to sensationalize next?<span id="more-125"></span></p>
<p>And I do mean sensationalize. Even here in this far northern corner of Europe, Norwegian reporters are getting more and more masterful at whipping up controversy and creating crisis. Rather than turn their backs on folly and those practices so evident on pseudo-journalistic shows like Bill O´Reilley´s No-Spin Zone, Norwegian media seems keen to embrace these questionable hype creation practices.</p>
<p>Kjersti Thorbjørnsrud, studying political debates in conjunction with her doctoral thesis, stated recently in an <a href="http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6286774">NRK interview</a> that debate programmes in Norway are staged and sometimes even misleading.</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;">Political debate programs in Norway today, are characteristically very popularized and pretty tabloid. Producers want politicians who step it up a little, without too many reservations, who don´t refer too often to dry resolutions, numbers and statistics. It should be very simple, concrete, and it should pertain to the public.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: #000000;"><span>We get a debate that is often more constructed than it is possible [for us] to be aware of. Journalists want a debate with high temperatures, and politicians know what journalists want, and ensure that their message is formulated in such a way as to get into the studio. — Kjersti Thorbjørnsrud.</span><span> </span></span><span style="color: #000000;"><span>[ » Read the original interview <em><a href="http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6286774">Debatter kan lure seerne</a></em>, 30.10.08, NRK.no]</span></span></p></blockquote>
<p>In a speech many years ago, delivered to a crowd of California university students, Michael Crichton went so far as to say that there is no value in following the media coverage of today:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><strong><span>We need to start seeing the media as a bearded nut on the sidewalk, shouting out false fears</span><span>. — Michael Crichton [Speech entitled: <a title="Read the entire speech" href="http://tinyurl.com/chricton-on-speculation" target="_blank">Why Speculate</a>, April 26, 2002]</span></strong></span></p></blockquote>
<p>Crichton&#8217;s speculative intellectual excercise is entertaining and witty (as his writing often was; and we can agree to disagree with him about the lack of evidence for global warming). While President Elect Obama&#8217;s honeymoon phase has provided a respite from the biting form of media speculation <!--more ... read two more wee paragraphs ... --> that reigned for the last decade, but not a reprieve from speculation entirely. As the world anticipates the Obama administration&#8217;s installation in January, the speculation is simply of a different character: upbeat and hopeful, like the man himself. (Actually, it is seldom one reads European news coverage and commentary concerning America&#8217;s roll and responsibility in the world, that is so harmonious and propitious as that of this last month.)</p>
<p>No one but McCain really envies President Elect Obama the challenges he is facing. The honeymoon will end —as they inevitably do—and when it ends the media climate will be a deciding factor in whether the new administration makes headway or not. Polarization, or the lack of it, will matter a great deal. <a href="http://www.michaelcrichton.com/speech-whyspeculate.html">Crichton put it this way</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #000000;"><span>Endless presentation of conflict may interfere with genuine issue resolution. There is evidence that the television foodfights not only don&#8217;t represent the views of most people-who are not so polarized-but may tend to make resolution of actual disputes more difficult in the real world. At the very least, they obscure the recognition that we resolve disputes every day. Compromise is much easier from relatively central positions than it is from extreme and hostile, conflicting positions.</span></span></p></blockquote>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So it turns out that Trondheim Kommune's short-sightedness is among the reasons we can't see satellite imagery of Trondheim via Google maps (See article "Google Fog Over Downtown" ). The local map and survey office (Kart og oppmålingskontoret) has chosen to prioritize their revenue stream over making the satellite imagery available to its citizenry through channels other than their own, cumbersome, map application. It turns out that they sell map data and imagery—the same data which we as tax payers certainly pay them to administer and make available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So it turns out that Trondheim Kommune&#8217;s short-sightedness is among the reasons we can&#8217;t see satellite imagery of Trondheim via Google maps (See article &#8220;<a href="http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1068594.ece">Google Fog Over Downtown</a>&#8221; ). The local map and survey office (<em>Kart og oppmålingskontoret</em>) has chosen to prioritize their revenue stream over making the satellite imagery available to its citizenry through channels other than <a href="http://webhotel.gisline.no/GISLINEWebMapExplorer_1601/Map.aspx">their own</a>, cumbersome, map application.  It turns out that they sell map data and imagery—the same data which we as tax payers certainly pay them to administer and make available.<span id="more-156"></span></p>
<p>Bergen actually chose to donate a set of satellite imagery to Google Maps over two years ago.  Trend-setters historically, Bergen realized the importance of geodata administration as early as <a href="http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/md/dok/regpubl/stmeld/20022003/Stmeld-nr-30-2002-2003-/2/1.html?id=329188">1687</a>.  Today, Bergen&#8217;s citizens, its geeks, school children, and firms are using the satellite imagery on Google maps as a backdrop to  <a href="http://www.dagensit.no/trender/article1305574.ece">build a 3D Bergen</a>, to present tourist information, to enhance their personal home pages, to promote their businesses and organizations, and much much more.  <a href="http://www.tu.no/bildeserier/article154234.ece?start=2&amp;amp;t=04181159">Oslo</a> is enjoying similar benefits.</p>
<p><img class="size-full wp-image-232 alignright" title="missingmap_NTNUandTrondheim_inline" src="http://notable.csaetre.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/missingmap_NTNUandTrondheim_inline1.png" alt="missingmap_NTNUandTrondheim_inline" width="275" height="255" /></p>
<p><strong>Wouldn&#8217;t it be a service to Trondheim&#8217;s citizens if Trondheim followed suit? </strong>A one-time gift of satellite data, even slightly outdated, would be a great start.  It matters not if the imagery doesn&#8217;t get updated for a number of years—as long as we can see the ground at the street level and no longer have to contend with:</p>
<p>This &#8220;error&#8221; message throws an unwelcome, unsightly wrench in many otherwise excellent uses of the Google API for downtown Trondheim.</p>
<p>The issue actually goes far beyond that of providing a bit of satellite imagery through easy-to-use, easy-to-find channels.   Data collected on behalf of the public should be <em>open source</em>, to borrow the phrase from IT. Grass roots movements such as that of &#8220;<a href="http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/blog/index.php">Free Our Data</a>&#8221; in the UK are making an impact in some parts of the world, encouraging some responsive goverment agencies to publish data sets from crime reports to pothole complaints (see also interactive <a href="http://www.berlingske.dk/article/99999999/forbrydelsen/80510026/&amp;amp;template=stdtext_noinfo">crime mash-up from Berlingske Tidende</a>, Denmark).</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>On both sides of the Atlantic there have been increasing calls for national and  local government to open up data. </strong><span id="redesign_default"><strong>The experience of  Web 2.0 suggests that if governments allow free access to the reams of data that  is collected on the public&#8217;s behalf then the public will combine and mash-up  that data in new and revealing ways.</strong> <a href="http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-our-data.html#links">Google Maps Mania</a><br />
</span></p></blockquote>
<p>There is, at least, one sensible soul working at Trondheim Kommune who gets it:  P. Sommerseth. In a recent concurring e-mail, Sommerseth, an editor at <a href="http://www.trondheim.no">Trondheim.no,</a> urged Trondheim Kommune to consider the opportunities, citing trends and the potential cost benefits of supporting both nerds and commercial actors in the creation og &#8220;mash-ups&#8221; and other related data presentations. The response from the <em>Kart og oppmålingskontoret</em> was to stress that it is for our own good that map data be made available only to those who can pay for it through their membership in Norge Digital, reiterating that Trondheim was fully justified to insist on payment given the established &#8220;national precedence&#8221; (most regions don&#8217;t donate imagery or data)  and their mandate found in <a href="http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/md/dok/regpubl/stmeld/20022003/Stmeld-nr-30-2002-2003-.html?id=196962">Stortingsmelding nr. 30(2002-2003)</a>.  The contention is that the consortium &#8220;Norge Digitalt&#8221; is the best way to go, a &#8220;foundation for value creation&#8221;.</p>
<p>I disagree.  We are <em>not</em> served by making said data proprietary.  I think the <em>stortingsmelding</em> was a fine start early this decade,  but is now slightly outdated and perhaps a little narrow minded. Norge Digitalt is surely useful for the larger actors in the market, but much has happened since 2003, and I don&#8217;t believe the <em>stortingsmelding</em> in question envisioned the opportunities of today.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;">The Google Map has become <em><span class="italic">the</span></em> interface.</h3>
<p>Is the Trondheim Kommune map website what you think of when tasked with showing the location of your business? Your school? Your upcoming conference? Your last hike?  Google allows individuals to use their code, to manipulate it, to build on it (<a href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps">Read this helpful introduction by Rune Andersen</a>). Trondheim&#8217;s NorKart map application has one or two nice features, but doesn&#8217;t come close to Google maps in terms of usefulness and flexibility.</p>
<p>Trondheim Kommune apparently thinks that Google will eventually pay, though It seems far-fetched to imagine that little Trondheim (166 thousand) is on Google&#8217;s list of places likely to see a return on investment given a purchase of satellite imagery; and equally obvious that Trondheim&#8217;s citizens and business community would benefit from being able to utilize Google&#8217;s open source options to present themselves and their activities.</p>
<p><strong>So come on Trondheim Kommune: Give a little, get a lot.</strong></p>
<p><strong>More reading:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/WDavidStephenson/public-data-power-in-our-hands/">Public Data &#8211; Power in our hands (David Stephenson)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.denverpost.com/viewpoints/ci_9998906">Let our data go free (Neal Pierce,  Denver Post)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2008/07/free-our-data.html#links">Google Maps Mania</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps">Eksempler &#8211;  Googles tjenester </a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps">Maps</a><a href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps"><sup> </sup>og </a><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps">Earth</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.eiendomsinfo.no/wps/infoland/hp">Norsk eiendomsinformasjon AS</a> / <a href="http://www.statkart.no/?_to=914">Norge Digitalt</a></li>
<li>Googles tjenester <a class="urlextern" title="http://maps.google.no" rel="nofollow" href="http://maps.google.no/">Maps</a> og <a class="urlextern" title="http://earth.google.com" rel="nofollow" href="http://earth.google.com/">Earth</a></li>
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		<title>Awaiting Google Maps Satisfaction in Trondheim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that Trondheim is the 3rd largest city in Norway <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&#38;amp;hl=en&#38;amp;geocode=&#38;amp;q=google&#38;amp;near=trondheim+norway&#38;amp;ie=UTF8&#38;amp;ll=63.422432,10.401692&#38;amp;spn=0.013018,0.037594&#38;amp;t=h&#38;amp;z=15&#38;amp;msa=0&#38;amp;msid=114233400077028390670.00000111e8ab73c6e32c5&#38;amp;iwloc=">the outer edges of the city have satellite imagery</a> on Google Maps, while the downtown and university areas are missing. Most of the hotels in town can’t be seen. The cathedral (Nidarosdomen) can’t be seen. The main university campus (NTNU Gløshaugen) with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that Trondheim is the 3rd largest  city in Norway  <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;geocode=&amp;amp;q=google&amp;amp;near=trondheim+norway&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;ll=63.422432,10.401692&amp;amp;spn=0.013018,0.037594&amp;amp;t=h&amp;amp;z=15&amp;amp;msa=0&amp;amp;msid=114233400077028390670.00000111e8ab73c6e32c5&amp;amp;iwloc=">the outer edges of the city have satellite imagery</a> on Google Maps, while the downtown and  university areas are missing.  Most of the hotels in town can’t be seen. The cathedral (Nidarosdomen) can’t be  seen. The main university campus (NTNU Gløshaugen) with thousands of students is  absent; but Lade and Leangen we have. An Adressa article mentioned the issues in  April under the banner “<a href="http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1068594.ece">Google Fog  Over Downtown</a>“, and I waited patiently for a change.  But no.  The article  got no more of a response than the one can find online.  I shot off a <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/trondheim_norway_university_and_google_norway_headquarters_absent_from_satellite_imagery">Get  Satisfaction</a> posting. Google participates, but we shall see.</p>
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		<title>Maps: Google and otherwise</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Christine Sætre</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of Google Maps and the <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/">accompanying APIs</a>. So I have been waiting patiently for about a year and a half for satellite images of downtown Trondheim to become available so that I could start using them. However, I hadn&#8217;t expected to wait this long. Google is fast, improved things [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a big fan of Google Maps and the <a href="http://code.google.com/apis/maps/documentation/">accompanying APIs</a>. So I have been waiting patiently for about a year and a half for satellite images of downtown Trondheim to become available so that I could start using them. However, I hadn&#8217;t expected to wait this long. Google is fast, improved things all the time, and I was sure it would only be a matter of months. But it wasn&#8217;t. Despite the fact that Trondheim is the 3rd largest city in Norway <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;geocode=&amp;amp;q=google&amp;amp;near=trondheim+norway&amp;amp;ie=UTF8&amp;amp;ll=63.422432,10.401692&amp;amp;spn=0.013018,0.037594&amp;amp;t=h&amp;amp;z=15&amp;amp;msa=0&amp;amp;msid=114233400077028390670.00000111e8ab73c6e32c5&amp;amp;iwloc=">the outer edges of the city have satellite imagery</a> on Google Maps, while the downtown and university areas are missing.</p>
<p><a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/trondheim_norway_university_and_google_norway_headquarters_absent_from_satellite_imagery"><img class="alignright" src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/satisfaction-production/s3_images/494/missingmap_NTNUandTrondheim_inline.png" alt="Google satellite imagery missing for downtown" width="275" height="255" /></a></p>
<p>I am certain the imagery exists somewhere. It would have been odd for those areas of the city most interesting to visitors and tourists to have been omitted from the same processes that provided the detailed satellite imagery of the outying areas (the burbs)? Most of the hotels in town can&#8217;t be seen. The cathedral (Nidarosdomen) can&#8217;t be seen. The main university campus (NTNU Gløshaugen) with thousands of students is absent; but Lade and Leangen we have. An Adressa article mentioned the issues in April under the banner &#8220;<a href="http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1068594.ece">Google Fog Over Downtown</a>&#8220;, and I waited patiently for a change. But no. The article got no more of a response than the one can find online.</p>
<blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://maps.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=22040&amp;amp;useful=0&amp;amp;show_useful=1&amp;amp;comment=en%20:%202%20:%20How%20do%20we%20influence%20providers%20of%20map%20data%2C%20and%20who%20are%20the%20providers%20by%20coutnry%3F&amp;amp;#helpful">Google map help</a>: Information is added as it becomes available from our data providers&#8221;. The <a rel="nofollow" href="http://maps.google.no/support/bin/answer.py?answer=7103&amp;amp;topic=10778">Norwegian version</a> states that data in Norway <em>is delivered by NAVTEQ and TeleAtlas. Satellte images are from DigitalGlobe and MDA Federal</em>.</p></blockquote>
<p>All fine and good. But it has been a long time. The issues isn&#8217;t out-dated imagery, it is missing imagery.</p>
<p>While interesting developments on the 3D map front are underway in Oslo with Googles blessing, nothing is happening in Trondheim, Google Norway headquarters. Unable to contact Google directly (thwarted by Google&#8217;s notorious but undersandable loop of FAQ and contact forms) I shot off a <a href="http://getsatisfaction.com/google/topics/trondheim_norway_university_and_google_norway_headquarters_absent_from_satellite_imagery">Get Satisfaction</a> posting. Google participates, but we shall see. I suspect that Trondheim&#8217;s local government may themselves be the culprits, perhaps holding onto the existing data to inhibit the competition with the locally produced map service or simply hoping to make a profit?</p>
<p><strong>Maps Related:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.ime.ntnu.no/googlemaps">Overview of Google Maps and Google Earth (Norwegian &#8211; from IME &#8211; Faculty)</a></li>
<li><a href="http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/trondheim/article1068594.ece">Where is downtown (Hvor er sentrum &#8211; Adressa.no 21.04.08)</a></li>
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